Halleyuyah I found the issue.. Ok so since I last posted I've loaded your build a few more times and set it up as I normally do , initialise , cross epg, auto boutique ect so it's exactly how I like it, I then decided to log into FileZilla and it worked a treat, then so did picons (downloading plugins) then the last thing I always do ... Set up remote viewing, as soon as I logged in from my phone to view channels to make sure it worked, I lost the lot again, I then set up the scenario again and done remote login again but done it first and the results are conclusive, I really don't know what it does to it (I imagine something to do with the usb but it massively screws with the box... Sorry for the essay wooshman, just figured u would want to know.. Regardless I'm going to stick with ur image and I will try a brand new usb 3.0 at the weekend and see if results differ... Thanks for advice tonight