Hi Sparkrite, thanks for the reply. Just done another flash with a different usb, just in case, and done as you suggested with the updates. Yes, there were a couple of enigma2 updates in there but still no luck. I have noticed it says "no new ecm info" in the softcam panel but does say "active cam 1: mgcamd_1.38r1". Is that what it should say? The weird thing is that the line stopped midway through a viewing. Its not as if I reflashed v6 and never got it working again. It was working for a few hours after upgrading and then, nothing. Very strange. Its not just sports and movies, its every paid channel, gold, dave, as though the line has gone down. But the line is ok. Spent all day on this and still no closer to knowing what has happened! I am starting to think its the actual box that has gone duff. Is enigma2 part of the workings of a sat box anyway and just used to get cccams working? What I mean is, is enigma2 something that could have gone bad inside the box or is enigma only downloaded when putting wooshbuild on? Starting to confuse myself now! haha! Its driving me mad! Cheers Sparkrite.