What's wrong with England Euros

[weimaraner95]

Yes I know Sam only had one game in charge, but coming after Hodgson mess and can only imagine how we would have performed under him . Some of hteyearly games e.g v Spain in the nations league were good games of footy. He's just gone stale and too concerned with failure and losing.

 

[pupuqiop]

Rory Jennings spits out a lot of stats/facts about Gareths managerial tenure that don't sound great..

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As I say, I'm not his biggest fan but I think to say a manager who's reached a final and a semi final "can't manage at this level" is factually incorrect - he's shown he can get results and how often do we hear it said that football is a results game. Not the style many want to watch but it's effective and I doubt people would remember his boring tactics and strange team selections if the penalty takers had scored after his keeper saved two of the oppositions pens. All about opinions though!

 

[pupuqiop]

But we only got to those positioned out of luck of the draw. Rather than merit. I cant recall us actually beating a world class team to get there (i may stand corrected) we had a bunch of minnows, luck and possibly a weakened opponent. I would suggest Southgate hasnt maximised and took the opportunity.

Teams win trophies with the help of favourable draws throughout football.

 

[thebesh]

As I say, I'm not his biggest fan but I think to say a manager who's reached a final and a semi final "can't manage at this level" is factually incorrect - he's shown he can get results and how often do we hear it said that football is a results game. Not the style many want to watch but it's effective and I doubt people would remember his boring tactics and strange team selections if the penalty takers had scored after his keeper saved two of the oppositions pens. All about opinions though!

I absolutely get your point. Mourinho could bore you to death with his defensive 1-0 wins. When you win trophies nobody cares how you do it. I also agree that if England had won that penalty shootout Gareth would be on the New Years honours list getting an MBE or something.

• Why did Gareth not "experiment" with players before the tournament?
• Why did he take Luke Shaw? Who's not played all season and looks unlikely to play any part due in the Euros
• Why is he playing key players out of their club position and it's clearly not working?
• Why has he picked a right back to play left back? Shaw was always a gamble to bring - maybe try a non-capped player beforehand?

If he goes on to win the tournament then nobody will question him about any choices. But, I don't think he's alone in not getting the best out of the England players. Sven, MacLaren, Capello have all been a damp squid when England play. Glenn Hoddle is probably the last England manager to show an England side that looked dangerous to play against.

 

[Aristotle]

Teams win trophies with the help of favourable draws throughout football.

But you also get a least two great teams in the semi’s of the World Cup and Euro’s and one of them usually goes onto win the tournament.
England are not a great team and history and statistics show it.

 

[pupuqiop]

I absolutely get your point. Mourinho could bore you to death with his defensive 1-0 wins. When you win trophies nobody cares how you do it. I also agree that if England had won that penalty shootout Gareth would be on the New Years honours list getting an MBE or something.

• Why did Gareth not "experiment" with players before the tournament?
• Why did he take Luke Shaw? Who's not played all season and looks unlikely to play any part due in the Euros
• Why is he playing key players out of their club position and it's clearly not working?
• Why has he picked a right back to play left back? Shaw was always a gamble to bring - maybe try a non-capped player beforehand?

I think the big mistake he's made going into this tournament is sticking with his favourites right up to it, then chucking a load of untried players in at the last minute. Tbf to him there aren't many alternatives jumping out to play in the midfield position that he's put Alexander-Arnold in, and those who are in the squad who can play there have only started shining at club level lately (Wharton and Mainoo) so you can kinda see why he hasn't blooded them earlier for England.

Left back, I honestly don't know an English LB who's been ignored by Southgate. He's been unlucky in that position that we've got Chilwell and Shaw who are both very capable but both injured. Is there anyone you think he should have included in the squad to play there?

But you also get a least two great teams in the semi’s of the World Cup and Euro’s and one of them usually goes onto win the tournament.
England are not a great team and history and statistics show it.

Were the Greek and Denmark sides that won it great teams?

 

[thebesh]

It's all fair points. I don't think there is another stand out left back to pick (that's left footed). Let's see how the tournament goes. He'll be judged by his results. If he leaves at the end of the season I would like to see how he copes with league football if he goes down that path.

 

[Aristotle]

Were the Greek and Denmark sides that won it great teams?

No but I did say usually and it’s rare that a great team doesn’t win a national football tournament.
I definitely don’t see Greece or Denmark winning the World Cup

 

[pupuqiop]

No but I did say usually and it’s rare that a great team doesn’t win a national football tournament.
I definitely don’t see Greece or Denmark winning the World Cup

If the players had slotted their penalties after England's keeper saved two Southgate would be remembered as a great manager and the team would be remembered as greats though. Fine margains

 

[pabloescaban]

Sven, MacLaren, Capello have all been a damp squid when England play.

Damp squib.
Squib is a small explosive like a firework or a flare, a damp one is a bit of a let down.
Squid are a species of cephalopod. In their natural environment squid are usually damp

 

[Aristotle]

If the players had slotted their penalties after England's keeper saved two Southgate would be remembered as a great manager and the team would be remembered as greats though. Fine margains

Not sure they would have been hailed as great.
I was thinking more on the lines of a great team like Spain from 2008-2012 who won the World Cup and two Euro Championships.
Or the French team who won the World Cup in 1998 and the 2000 Euros.

 

[zack]

If the players had slotted their penalties after England's keeper saved two Southgate would be remembered as a great manager and the team would be remembered as greats though. Fine margains

I am not having a go its all about opinions, but since hes been in charge, once qualified , you really have to have a good look the teams he has beat him in charge, i am sure its one team in the top ten ranked hes beat, that in its self is a fk disgrace, you like him or rate him, he was crap manager before got the England job, and the utter sht comes out his mouth and tactics are laughable.

He will get a club job after this, he is utter useless, FA blue eyed boy kiss ass .. 5 million a year , highest paid international manager in world football, and that's way his team play, is a fk disgrace.

 

[pupuqiop]

Not sure they would have been hailed as great.
I was thinking more on the lines of a great team like Spain from 2008-2012 who won the World Cup and two Euro Championships.
Or the French team who won the World Cup in 1998 and the 2000 Euros.

They would have been immortalised, every failing overlooked purely because they won a trophy.

you like him or rate him

No, see below:

I'm not a fan of Southgate but I think that's a bit harsh.

As I say, I'm not his biggest fan but I think to say a manager who's reached a final and a semi final "can't manage at this level" is factually incorrect

Not the style many want to watch

boring tactics

strange team selections

 

[Aristotle]

They would have been immortalised, every failing overlooked purely because they won a trophy.

Well everyone has different standards.

 

[Aristotle]

Not a lot seems wrong at the moment lol.

 

[pabloescaban]

I'm glad I was wrong.
They played ok against Switzerland, much better than the group matches.
I thought they commanded the match tonight, I've not seen the possession stats but we must have had well more than 60%.
I thought the substitutions came about 10 minutes late, should have been 60-65 minutes but all in all I think we were excellent.
How we'll fare against Spain is another kettle of fish.

 

[HonestPrick]

I'm glad I was wrong.
They played ok against Switzerland, much better than the group matches.
I thought they commanded the match tonight, I've not seen the possession stats but we must have had well more than 60%.
I thought the substitutions came about 10 minutes late, should have been 60-65 minutes but all in all I think we were excellent.
How we'll fare against Spain is another kettle of fish.

Do you think Southgate has secured his position for another world cup by making back to back euro finals and first time on foreign soil or is the jury still out on that one?

 

[pabloescaban]

Do you think Southgate has secured his position for another world cup by making back to back euro finals and first time on foreign soil or is the jury still out on that one?

If we don't win this competition, he'll be away on his toes.
I heard that anything short of first meant he was done. He said that there was no reason why we shouldn't finish top and anything less was not an option as far as he was concerned.
Whether he sticks to that remains to be seen but I have to agree with him in a sense.
Some of the best players in the world and the best management, if that does not produce the desired outcome then you have to think that one part or the other is not trying hard enough.
He knows that his input is 100%, meaning that the problem is with the other part. Why waste any more time if you're giving everything but the others aren't interested?

He's the perfect man for the job, he couldn't give a shite about his own glory and reputation as he's fully prepared to take a walk and end up with nothing. I think he's told them this.
He means it.
If we lose against Spain in the final but the team give everything they've got, he may stay, if we lose and England play like they did against Slovenia then he'll be a dot on the horizon and I don't blame him.

 

[HonestPrick]

If we don't win this competition, he'll be away on his toes.
I heard that anything short of first meant he was done. He said that there was no reason why we shouldn't finish top and anything less was not an option as far as he was concerned.
Whether he sticks to that remains to be seen but I have to agree with him in a sense.
Some of the best players in the world and the best management, if that does not produce the desired outcome then you have to think that one part or the other is not trying hard enough.
He knows that his input is 100%, meaning that the problem is with the other part. Why waste any more time if you're giving everything but the others aren't interested?

He's the perfect man for the job, he couldn't give a shite about his own glory and reputation as he's fully prepared to take a walk and end up with nothing. I think he's told them this.
He means it.
If we lose against Spain in the final but the team give everything they've got, he may stay, if we lose and England play like they did against Slovenia then he'll be a dot on the horizon and I don't blame him.

Should be a fun final, I don't follow football as closely so nice to hear a more nuanced take. First time I've read about the output not being 100% and some accountability on the players. Too often a manager is sacked and scapegoated when there's only so many buttons they can push. He definitely pushed the right ones last night!

 

[pabloescaban]

Should be a fun final, I don't follow football as closely so nice to hear a more nuanced take. First time I've read about the output not being 100% and some accountability on the players. Too often a manager is sacked and scapegoated when there's only so many buttons they can push. He definitely pushed the right ones last night!

I don't follow football myself apart from international games. Rugby is my game, but not the one you are thinking of, a different one.
It's only what I've read and heard online regarding England team but it seems about right. There's literally no reason why we shouldn't win more games and play better