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it sounds like you've flashed with an old build, if you have downloaded one today it should have the date attached to the file name ie Grogbuild_zgemmah2h_20171129.zip

I will put something together for flashing online in next few days

Did I miss the flashing online tutorial? Sorry but I’ve been off comms for a couple of days and this tutorial would be the icing on the cake for me!

Great work by grog and has taught me a lot using his step by step setups [emoji106]


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Anyone have any issues with restoring settings from backup. Just updated grogs latest build today and im installing my backup settings but it seems stuck on the installing plugins screen

Now says download timed out
Bad address nonpublic.space

After all that waiting it didnt work so looks as though im going to have to redo everything again :(
what box are you on? try without reinstalling plugins
 
Did I miss the flashing online tutorial? Sorry but I’ve been off comms for a couple of days and this tutorial would be the icing on the cake for me!

Great work by grog and has taught me a lot using his step by step setups [emoji106]


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sorry not done tutorial yet and wont get chance today but press blue button, select flash online from right hand side, press green button on next screen and you should see grogbuild at top of list. highlight it and press green button to flash. if you dont see grogbuild in the list then a usb flash is required as in post 1
 
sorry not done tutorial yet and wont get chance today but press blue button, select flash online from right hand side, press green button on next screen and you should see grogbuild at top of list. highlight it and press green button to flash. if you dont see grogbuild in the list then a usb flash is required as in post 1

Thanks, I just done a fresh install, your walk through guide makes it so easy to do anyway, thanks again


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Hiya your build looks great, thankyou.
I've just done a software update and the boot is now stuck on -80- . Any idea what is up please?
When did you flash grogbuild, there was an issue with some of the ATV software updates that caused the box not to boot, there are a few threads on here where people had the issue. Flash the box with the latest version (not yet on h52tc) and the issue is fixed. the H52tc image will be fixed over the weekend, I was hoping to get it done yesterday but life has got in the way.
 
I don't have any dates next to grogbuild on the flash online. But did the online flash which fixed the audio and I have ABM 2.9
If I flash online with grogbuild at top will it flash the latest version ?
I have the H4.
 
Just flashed with Groggbuild, and has got my channels back. Can someone let me know how to configure my channel list, so I have movies from 301, sports from 401, in the Sly setup basically?
Guys, can anyone help? I have both Sly and VM lines, and I want to use the Sly all channels bouquet, but swap the VM HD channels with the ones that are showing a black screen. I had this previously with dsayers and Wooshbuild, so I assume it is possible here as well?

EDIT: Never mind, sorted.
 
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Hi on my original TiVo box channel number 858 was bbc one was local to my region. However when I choose 858 on my H5.2tc with your build it she’s the channel but just a blank screen. No picture. Any ideas?
 
Edit:20th November 2017 - I've just been informed the H52tc build also works well on the H5

Edit:22nd November 2017 - I've been told by @davesbak that the H2H build works well on the H2S, you just need to configure for satellite rather than cable.

*Download from

H2H and H5.2tc http://www.techkings.org/resources/grogbbuild-h2h-and-h5-2tc-atv-6-1-cable.30/
H7C http://www.techkings.org/resources/grogbbuild-h7c-atv-6-1-cable.32/

H4 http://www.techkings.org/resources/grogbuild-h4-atv-6-1.38/

If you are reflashing an existing box, please make sure you back up your sytems settings, on ATV this is done by pressing the blue button and then selecting 'Backup settings'. Once flashed you can then press the blue button and select 'Restore Settings'


This is my first build release, it has been used on a few boxes that I have set up so there should be no issues, it has the satellite tuner disabled but instructions below if you wish to use it.

CCcam 2.3.0, mgcamd_1.38r1 installed on H5.2tc only
oscam_atv_emu 1.2 installed
Kiddacs SlyK HD, vskin-HD and slyk-q skins installed - Vskin-HD set up as default.

Installed Plugins :
  • Dream Explorer
  • EPG-Importer
  • Auto Bouquets Maker
  • IPTV Player
  • Media Player
  • Media Scanner
  • Movie Organisor
  • OpenWebif
  • Picture player
In addition, @dsayers modifications to EPGList and UsageConfig are installed for channel numbers.

Picons are installed on your HD when your HD is first setup.

epgh52tc.jpg


A simple script of mine updates the 'Top Pick', 'In My Shows', 'You Might Like' and 'Watch now' images on the Vskin-HD menu screen via crontab twice a day. Similar to the Top Pick addon for the Slyk 1 HD skin (addon not installed)


h52tcmenu.jpg





Download the zip file and unzip it to a usb stick. So your usb stick should now contain the zgemma folder and it's contents.

On the H5.2tc browse to zgemma/h5 folder and rename noforce to force. Turn off your box and insert the usb stick into the rear usb port and turn the box on. The LED display will say FLSH for a few minutes before the box reboots.

On the H7C turn off your box and insert the usb stick into the rear usb port and turn the box on and press the small button behind the front flap until FLSH appears on the LED. The LED display will say FLSH for a few minutes before the box reboots.

Remove the USB stick from the back of the box and insert a blank usb stick/hdd for recordings etc. I recommend nothing less than 64GB. Now press the menu button on remote and select Setup -> System -> Storage Device -> Initialisation -> YOUR USB DEVICE -> Red Button.

Once the initialisation has completed, hold the power button on remote until a menu appears and select 'Restart Gui'.

Once restarted, just make sure the usb stick/hdd is mounted correctly by pressing the RED button on the remote and selecting Plugins -> Mount Manager. Your USB device should be listed and should say Mount: /media/hdd

mountmanager.jpg

If it does just press the exit button until you exit the menus, if it doesn't press the Green button to Setup Mounts and using the Left/Right arrows on the remote change the mount until /media/hdd is selected and press the Green button to save. Answer yes if prompted to restart the box.

Now we need to set up your NetID, if you don't know it check my NetID map at h52tc.com/netids.html and select the Town closest to you. Now press the Menu Button and select Setup -> Service Searching -> Tuner Configuration -> Tuner B

Using the numeric keys on your remote enter your Net ID in the Network ID field. I then set Provider to Scan to Virgin Media UK (Pure) but as we're using ABM this doesn't matter.

Press Green button to save and then select Tuner C and repeat the last step.

If you are using satellite as well select Tuner A and using the Right arrow key on remote change Configuration mode to Simple and press the Green button to save. You may have to press the Green button again if the box scans for satellites.

Now press the exit button once to return to Service Searching menu and select AutoBouquetsMaker->Providers

If wanting Freesat (ie no premim channels) change FreeSat UK to Yes and then using the left/right arrows on remote change FreeSatUK Area to the Area you wish to use. Change the bouquet settings for Freesat as you see fit. I personally just have Main bouquet set to Yes (All Channels) with the other bouquet settings set to no.

If you have a Satellite Line and want the remaining premium change Sky UK to yes and then set the Sky UK:area to your area, and then again set Sky UK: generate main bouquet to yes(All channels) and as above set the sky uk bouquet options as you want.

Now move down to Virgin (UK):Area and using the left/right arrow keys scroll through the list of Net ID's until the one you entered in tuner config above is highlighted. DO NOT change the bouquet options.
abm_providers.jpg

Now press the GREEN button to save.

If you have selected both cable and satellite providers above then now select Providers order, make sure cable_uk_virgin is the top item, if not highlight the sat items and press the blue button to move them below the cable_uk_virgin and then press the GREEN button to save changes.

Now press the Green button to run a scan.

Once the scan has completed, press the exit button 4 times to return to TV picture and then press the green button and select EPG-Importer.

Press the Blue button to select sources.

Now select 'Rytec UK/Ireland Virgin XMLTV' so the box is ticked. Now find and select the 'Rytec UK Sat XMLTV' if you have a sat feed connected. (I found the freesat channels didn't populate straight away but when I ran another abm scan it appeared).

Press the Green button to save.

Now press the Yellow button to run a scan. Select yes when prompted. On the right you will see 'Importing: Rytec xxx' once the importing has finished it will show 'Last Updated' with the date.

You can exit this plugin now and the import will continue iin the background.

V-Skin is already setup with pics in menus changing daily

slyk1hd included with no mods, just set it as your skin – menu, setup, usage and gui skin setup

Kiddacs sly-q with no mods included just set as your skin – menu, setup, usage and gui skin setup

Now you need to install and set up your line, if you are using cccam or mgcamd you need to put your CCcam.cfg or newcamd.list file into the /usr/keys folder, if using oscam then the oscam.server file needs to go into /usr/keys/oscam_atv folder.

Now restart the cam by pressing the Menu button and selecting InfoPanel -> Softcam Panel. Use the left/right keys to set the cam1 to the cam type you are using and then press the GREEN button to restart it.

I hope that covers it, if I've missed anything please let me know.

Grog68
Edit:20th November 2017 - I've just been informed the H52tc build also works well on the H5

Edit:22nd November 2017 - I've been told by @davesbak that the H2H build works well on the H2S, you just need to configure for satellite rather than cable.

*Download from

H2H and H5.2tc http://www.techkings.org/resources/grogbbuild-h2h-and-h5-2tc-atv-6-1-cable.30/
H7C http://www.techkings.org/resources/grogbbuild-h7c-atv-6-1-cable.32/

H4 http://www.techkings.org/resources/grogbuild-h4-atv-6-1.38/

If you are reflashing an existing box, please make sure you back up your sytems settings, on ATV this is done by pressing the blue button and then selecting 'Backup settings'. Once flashed you can then press the blue button and select 'Restore Settings'


This is my first build release, it has been used on a few boxes that I have set up so there should be no issues, it has the satellite tuner disabled but instructions below if you wish to use it.

CCcam 2.3.0, mgcamd_1.38r1 installed on H5.2tc only
oscam_atv_emu 1.2 installed
Kiddacs SlyK HD, vskin-HD and slyk-q skins installed - Vskin-HD set up as default.

Installed Plugins :
  • Dream Explorer
  • EPG-Importer
  • Auto Bouquets Maker
  • IPTV Player
  • Media Player
  • Media Scanner
  • Movie Organisor
  • OpenWebif
  • Picture player
In addition, @dsayers modifications to EPGList and UsageConfig are installed for channel numbers.

Picons are installed on your HD when your HD is first setup.

epgh52tc.jpg


A simple script of mine updates the 'Top Pick', 'In My Shows', 'You Might Like' and 'Watch now' images on the Vskin-HD menu screen via crontab twice a day. Similar to the Top Pick addon for the Slyk 1 HD skin (addon not installed)


h52tcmenu.jpg





Download the zip file and unzip it to a usb stick. So your usb stick should now contain the zgemma folder and it's contents.

On the H5.2tc browse to zgemma/h5 folder and rename noforce to force. Turn off your box and insert the usb stick into the rear usb port and turn the box on. The LED display will say FLSH for a few minutes before the box reboots.

On the H7C turn off your box and insert the usb stick into the rear usb port and turn the box on and press the small button behind the front flap until FLSH appears on the LED. The LED display will say FLSH for a few minutes before the box reboots.

Remove the USB stick from the back of the box and insert a blank usb stick/hdd for recordings etc. I recommend nothing less than 64GB. Now press the menu button on remote and select Setup -> System -> Storage Device -> Initialisation -> YOUR USB DEVICE -> Red Button.

Once the initialisation has completed, hold the power button on remote until a menu appears and select 'Restart Gui'.

Once restarted, just make sure the usb stick/hdd is mounted correctly by pressing the RED button on the remote and selecting Plugins -> Mount Manager. Your USB device should be listed and should say Mount: /media/hdd

mountmanager.jpg

If it does just press the exit button until you exit the menus, if it doesn't press the Green button to Setup Mounts and using the Left/Right arrows on the remote change the mount until /media/hdd is selected and press the Green button to save. Answer yes if prompted to restart the box.

Now we need to set up your NetID, if you don't know it check my NetID map at h52tc.com/netids.html and select the Town closest to you. Now press the Menu Button and select Setup -> Service Searching -> Tuner Configuration -> Tuner B

Using the numeric keys on your remote enter your Net ID in the Network ID field. I then set Provider to Scan to Virgin Media UK (Pure) but as we're using ABM this doesn't matter.

Press Green button to save and then select Tuner C and repeat the last step.

If you are using satellite as well select Tuner A and using the Right arrow key on remote change Configuration mode to Simple and press the Green button to save. You may have to press the Green button again if the box scans for satellites.

Now press the exit button once to return to Service Searching menu and select AutoBouquetsMaker->Providers

If wanting Freesat (ie no premim channels) change FreeSat UK to Yes and then using the left/right arrows on remote change FreeSatUK Area to the Area you wish to use. Change the bouquet settings for Freesat as you see fit. I personally just have Main bouquet set to Yes (All Channels) with the other bouquet settings set to no.

If you have a Satellite Line and want the remaining premium change Sky UK to yes and then set the Sky UK:area to your area, and then again set Sky UK: generate main bouquet to yes(All channels) and as above set the sky uk bouquet options as you want.

Now move down to Virgin (UK):Area and using the left/right arrow keys scroll through the list of Net ID's until the one you entered in tuner config above is highlighted. DO NOT change the bouquet options.
abm_providers.jpg

Now press the GREEN button to save.

If you have selected both cable and satellite providers above then now select Providers order, make sure cable_uk_virgin is the top item, if not highlight the sat items and press the blue button to move them below the cable_uk_virgin and then press the GREEN button to save changes.

Now press the Green button to run a scan.

Once the scan has completed, press the exit button 4 times to return to TV picture and then press the green button and select EPG-Importer.

Press the Blue button to select sources.

Now select 'Rytec UK/Ireland Virgin XMLTV' so the box is ticked. Now find and select the 'Rytec UK Sat XMLTV' if you have a sat feed connected. (I found the freesat channels didn't populate straight away but when I ran another abm scan it appeared).

Press the Green button to save.

Now press the Yellow button to run a scan. Select yes when prompted. On the right you will see 'Importing: Rytec xxx' once the importing has finished it will show 'Last Updated' with the date.

You can exit this plugin now and the import will continue iin the background.

V-Skin is already setup with pics in menus changing daily

slyk1hd included with no mods, just set it as your skin – menu, setup, usage and gui skin setup

Kiddacs sly-q with no mods included just set as your skin – menu, setup, usage and gui skin setup

Now you need to install and set up your line, if you are using cccam or mgcamd you need to put your CCcam.cfg or newcamd.list file into the /usr/keys folder, if using oscam then the oscam.server file needs to go into /usr/keys/oscam_atv folder.

Now restart the cam by pressing the Menu button and selecting InfoPanel -> Softcam Panel. Use the left/right keys to set the cam1 to the cam type you are using and then press the GREEN button to restart it.

I hope that covers it, if I've missed anything please let me know.

Grog68
Edit:20th November 2017 - I've just been informed the H52tc build also works well on the H5

Edit:22nd November 2017 - I've been told by @davesbak that the H2H build works well on the H2S, you just need to configure for satellite rather than cable.

*Download from

H2H and H5.2tc http://www.techkings.org/resources/grogbbuild-h2h-and-h5-2tc-atv-6-1-cable.30/
H7C http://www.techkings.org/resources/grogbbuild-h7c-atv-6-1-cable.32/

H4 http://www.techkings.org/resources/grogbuild-h4-atv-6-1.38/

If you are reflashing an existing box, please make sure you back up your sytems settings, on ATV this is done by pressing the blue button and then selecting 'Backup settings'. Once flashed you can then press the blue button and select 'Restore Settings'


This is my first build release, it has been used on a few boxes that I have set up so there should be no issues, it has the satellite tuner disabled but instructions below if you wish to use it.

CCcam 2.3.0, mgcamd_1.38r1 installed on H5.2tc only
oscam_atv_emu 1.2 installed
Kiddacs SlyK HD, vskin-HD and slyk-q skins installed - Vskin-HD set up as default.

Installed Plugins :
  • Dream Explorer
  • EPG-Importer
  • Auto Bouquets Maker
  • IPTV Player
  • Media Player
  • Media Scanner
  • Movie Organisor
  • OpenWebif
  • Picture player
In addition, @dsayers modifications to EPGList and UsageConfig are installed for channel numbers.

Picons are installed on your HD when your HD is first setup.

epgh52tc.jpg


A simple script of mine updates the 'Top Pick', 'In My Shows', 'You Might Like' and 'Watch now' images on the Vskin-HD menu screen via crontab twice a day. Similar to the Top Pick addon for the Slyk 1 HD skin (addon not installed)


h52tcmenu.jpg





Download the zip file and unzip it to a usb stick. So your usb stick should now contain the zgemma folder and it's contents.

On the H5.2tc browse to zgemma/h5 folder and rename noforce to force. Turn off your box and insert the usb stick into the rear usb port and turn the box on. The LED display will say FLSH for a few minutes before the box reboots.

On the H7C turn off your box and insert the usb stick into the rear usb port and turn the box on and press the small button behind the front flap until FLSH appears on the LED. The LED display will say FLSH for a few minutes before the box reboots.

Remove the USB stick from the back of the box and insert a blank usb stick/hdd for recordings etc. I recommend nothing less than 64GB. Now press the menu button on remote and select Setup -> System -> Storage Device -> Initialisation -> YOUR USB DEVICE -> Red Button.

Once the initialisation has completed, hold the power button on remote until a menu appears and select 'Restart Gui'.

Once restarted, just make sure the usb stick/hdd is mounted correctly by pressing the RED button on the remote and selecting Plugins -> Mount Manager. Your USB device should be listed and should say Mount: /media/hdd

mountmanager.jpg

If it does just press the exit button until you exit the menus, if it doesn't press the Green button to Setup Mounts and using the Left/Right arrows on the remote change the mount until /media/hdd is selected and press the Green button to save. Answer yes if prompted to restart the box.

Now we need to set up your NetID, if you don't know it check my NetID map at h52tc.com/netids.html and select the Town closest to you. Now press the Menu Button and select Setup -> Service Searching -> Tuner Configuration -> Tuner B

Using the numeric keys on your remote enter your Net ID in the Network ID field. I then set Provider to Scan to Virgin Media UK (Pure) but as we're using ABM this doesn't matter.

Press Green button to save and then select Tuner C and repeat the last step.

If you are using satellite as well select Tuner A and using the Right arrow key on remote change Configuration mode to Simple and press the Green button to save. You may have to press the Green button again if the box scans for satellites.

Now press the exit button once to return to Service Searching menu and select AutoBouquetsMaker->Providers

If wanting Freesat (ie no premim channels) change FreeSat UK to Yes and then using the left/right arrows on remote change FreeSatUK Area to the Area you wish to use. Change the bouquet settings for Freesat as you see fit. I personally just have Main bouquet set to Yes (All Channels) with the other bouquet settings set to no.

If you have a Satellite Line and want the remaining premium change Sky UK to yes and then set the Sky UK:area to your area, and then again set Sky UK: generate main bouquet to yes(All channels) and as above set the sky uk bouquet options as you want.

Now move down to Virgin (UK):Area and using the left/right arrow keys scroll through the list of Net ID's until the one you entered in tuner config above is highlighted. DO NOT change the bouquet options.
abm_providers.jpg

Now press the GREEN button to save.

If you have selected both cable and satellite providers above then now select Providers order, make sure cable_uk_virgin is the top item, if not highlight the sat items and press the blue button to move them below the cable_uk_virgin and then press the GREEN button to save changes.

Now press the Green button to run a scan.

Once the scan has completed, press the exit button 4 times to return to TV picture and then press the green button and select EPG-Importer.

Press the Blue button to select sources.

Now select 'Rytec UK/Ireland Virgin XMLTV' so the box is ticked. Now find and select the 'Rytec UK Sat XMLTV' if you have a sat feed connected. (I found the freesat channels didn't populate straight away but when I ran another abm scan it appeared).

Press the Green button to save.

Now press the Yellow button to run a scan. Select yes when prompted. On the right you will see 'Importing: Rytec xxx' once the importing has finished it will show 'Last Updated' with the date.

You can exit this plugin now and the import will continue iin the background.

V-Skin is already setup with pics in menus changing daily

slyk1hd included with no mods, just set it as your skin – menu, setup, usage and gui skin setup

Kiddacs sly-q with no mods included just set as your skin – menu, setup, usage and gui skin setup

Now you need to install and set up your line, if you are using cccam or mgcamd you need to put your CCcam.cfg or newcamd.list file into the /usr/keys folder, if using oscam then the oscam.server file needs to go into /usr/keys/oscam_atv folder.

Now restart the cam by pressing the Menu button and selecting InfoPanel -> Softcam Panel. Use the left/right keys to set the cam1 to the cam type you are using and then press the GREEN button to restart it.

I hope that covers it, if I've missed anything please let me know.

Grog68
hi will this work on a zgemma h2
 
sorry not done tutorial yet and wont get chance today but press blue button, select flash online from right hand side, press green button on next screen and you should see grogbuild at top of list. highlight it and press green button to flash. if you dont see grogbuild in the list then a usb flash is required as in post 1
when i flash as above i use the option save settings...then when ready to install ...i used option 4 install with saved settings and plugins ...
when its installed i try to restore settings from back up ....and it reads NO BACK UPS FOUND... i have reflashed my back up , saved on the PC..........now back on the old build
is it possible to save settings/plugins to usb then use once flashed with new build ???
 
when i flash as above i use the option save settings...then when ready to install ...i used option 4 install with saved settings and plugins ...
when its installed i try to restore settings from back up ....and it reads NO BACK UPS FOUND... i have reflashed my back up , saved on the PC..........now back on the old build
is it possible to save settings/plugins to usb then use once flashed with new build ???
Same here didn't work for me to save settings. Had to go through setup again. But it gave me a reminder of how to do it which I'd forgotten so didn't mind.

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when i flash as above i use the option save settings...then when ready to install ...i used option 4 install with saved settings and plugins ...
when its installed i try to restore settings from back up ....and it reads NO BACK UPS FOUND... i have reflashed my back up , saved on the PC..........now back on the old build
is it possible to save settings/plugins to usb then use once flashed with new build ???

That’s what happened to me last week, grog did say he was gonna do a tutorial on how to update via online but he’s a busy man so we just need to give him time [emoji106]


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Same here didn't work for me to save settings. Had to go through setup again. But it gave me a reminder of how to do it which I'd forgotten so didn't mind.

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Got to be easier way than going through set up again ..bit of a ball ache that
 
I don't have any dates next to grogbuild on the flash online. But did the online flash which fixed the audio and I have ABM 2.9
If I flash online with grogbuild at top will it flash the latest version ?
I have the H4.
Yes, up to a week or so ago the online flash list didn't show the date, I added it after a couple of people had asked me to. Flashing online will flash the latest build.
Hi on my original TiVo box channel number 858 was bbc one was local to my region. However when I choose 858 on my H5.2tc with your build it she’s the channel but just a blank screen. No picture. Any ideas?
sho
858 is BBC1 Audio description, 101 should be your local bbc 1, and 108 bbc 1 HD unless you have swap channels enabled in abm in which case they will be the otherway round. This is down to abm and not specific to the build. I don't know why 858 is blank, its the same for me.

when i flash as above i use the option save settings...then when ready to install ...i used option 4 install with saved settings and plugins ...
when its installed i try to restore settings from back up ....and it reads NO BACK UPS FOUND... i have reflashed my back up , saved on the PC..........now back on the old build
is it possible to save settings/plugins to usb then use once flashed with new build ???
I normally backup my settings first (blue button -> Back up settings), when flashing I then select option 1, and then once flashed restore settings (Blue button -> Restore settings).
 
Yes, up to a week or so ago the online flash list didn't show the date, I added it after a couple of people had asked me to. Flashing online will flash the latest build.
sho
858 is BBC1 Audio description, 101 should be your local bbc 1, and 108 bbc 1 HD unless you have swap channels enabled in abm in which case they will be the otherway round. This is down to abm and not specific to the build. I don't know why 858 is blank, its the same for me.


I normally backup my settings first (blue button -> Back up settings), when flashing I then select option 1, and then once flashed restore settings (Blue button -> Restore settings).
i will give it a go !! sorry i ment to reply to the flash comment
 
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Yes, up to a week or so ago the online flash list didn't show the date, I added it after a couple of people had asked me to. Flashing online will flash the latest build.
sho
858 is BBC1 Audio description, 101 should be your local bbc 1, and 108 bbc 1 HD unless you have swap channels enabled in abm in which case they will be the otherway round. This is down to abm and not specific to the build. I don't know why 858 is blank, its the same for me.


I normally backup my settings first (blue button -> Back up settings), when flashing I then select option 1, and then once flashed restore settings (Blue button -> Restore settings).
done as above and same again SORRY NO BACKUPS FOUND!
 
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