Death Penalty, yes or no

[RagnarMan]

what would that evidence be?

CCTV with blatant FHD where the face can be clearly seen etc and DNA match?

 

[Wellyfish]

CCTV with blatant FHD where the face can be clearly seen etc and DNA match?

Neither of those are foolproof.

Consider what AI can do with so-called "deep fake" videos these days.

DNA isn't 100%, the standard text is something like "if enough material can be collected ... the chances of mis-identification are vanishingly small"; note, not zero.

 

[RagnarMan]

Neither of those are foolproof.

Consider what AI can do with so-called "deep fake" videos these days.

DNA isn't 100%, the standard text is something like "if enough material can be collected ... the chances of mis-identification are vanishingly small"; note, not zero.

But i mean say someone is killed in a shop you walk in unplug the CCTV and its there and its clear as day, surely there's some sort of tamper proofing system to stop deepfakes etc.

 

[Jamie Lee spice]

You should have no human rights after some crimes.

And that means proper jail...no visitors ..no playstation or Xbox...TV or radio. No association with other prisoners.

Just a cell.. bread and water kept alive just.

You take a life so that means yours is gone too.

Death penalty is the easiest way out.

 

[Wellyfish]

But i mean say someone is killed in a shop you walk in unplug the CCTV and its there and its clear as day, surely there's some sort of tamper proofing system to stop deepfakes etc.

I've no idea whether there is or not. These things only work until they don't.

The point I was making is there's no such as 100% in the context of proof, that's why juries are asked to decide on "beyond reasonable doubt".

The discussion, for me anyway, shouldn't be about evidence. It should be about the moral issue of whether taking a life, by an individual or by the state, is justified.

 

[RagnarMan]

I've no idea whether there is or not. These things only work until they don't.

The point I was making is there's no such as 100% in the context of proof, that's why juries are asked to decide on "beyond reasonable doubt".

The discussion, for me anyway, shouldn't be about evidence. It should be about the moral issue of whether taking a life, by an individual or by the state, is justified.

idk man i just think if they can be ballsy enough to do it then why not

 

[Corby]

I've no idea whether there is or not. These things only work until they don't.

The point I was making is there's no such as 100% in the context of proof, that's why juries are asked to decide on "beyond reasonable doubt".

The discussion, for me anyway, shouldn't be about evidence. It should be about the moral issue of whether taking a life, by an individual or by the state, is justified.

Are you saying that the low life who killed those little girls, the two scum bags who tried their best to decapitate soldier Lee Rigby could be potentially innocent? I understand your view that some cases are down to the decision of a jury and that's fair enough but in cases where there is no question of guilt...

 

[wilkijay]

You should have no human rights after some crimes.

And that means proper jail...no visitors ..no playstation or Xbox...TV or radio. No association with other prisoners.

Just a cell.. bread and water kept alive just.

You take a life so that means yours is gone too.

Death penalty is the easiest way out.

And make sure he has some good quality bedsheets and a sturdy light fitting on the ceiling.

 

[Jamie Lee spice]

And make sure he has some good quality bedsheets and a sturdy light fitting on the ceiling.

They should be kept alive barely to see out that life sentence.

 

[RagnarMan]

They should be kept alive barely to see out that life sentence.

Sounds perfect

 

[Jamie Lee spice]

Sounds perfect

He won't though he is going to be getting three meals a day... because he's doing so long he be able to get a gaming console providing he has the money. He will have access to gym and exercise yard.

He will be able to work in there to earn money to get canteen every week.
Most probably he will be in single cell with a TV and radio.

We will paying for a jail to house him and to feed him.

That's the way jail in UK is.

 

[RagnarMan]

He won't though he is going to be getting three meals a day... because he's doing so long he be able to get a gaming console providing he has the money. He will have access to gym and exercise yard.

He will be able to work in there to earn money to get canteen every week.
Most probably he will be in single cell with a TV and radio.

We will paying for a jail to house him and to feed him.

That's the way jail in UK is.

Kinda sad honestly it does not bother me when its like petty crime, but serious messed up stuff it really gets to me People on the outside live in more harsh conditions. have you seen the jails in i think Sweden etc cant remember exactly where ? the are like a Hotel room yet the reoffending rate is so low haha

 

[Jamie Lee spice]

Kinda sad honestly it does not bother me when its like petty crime, but serious messed up stuff it really gets to me People on the outside live in more harsh conditions. have you seen the jails in i think Sweden etc cant remember exactly where ? the are like a Hotel room yet the reoffending rate is so low haha

Yeah I've seen them most people in there usually are like drug runners and less serious crimes I think.

I just think life should be life.

And no perks just kept in bare minimum with least cost to taxpayer.

That boy should not see the other side of the prison gate or wall forever.
If he goes on hunger strike keep him alive it's much worse punishment seeing out a life sentence like 60 or 70 years in a dump until his last breath.

 

[RagnarMan]

Yeah I've seen them most people in there usually are like drug runners and less serious crimes I think.

I just think life should be life.

And no perks just kept in bare minimum with least cost to taxpayer.

That boy should not see the other side of the prison gate or wall forever.
If he goes on hunger strike keep him alive it's much worse punishment seeing out a life sentence like 60 or 70 years in a dump until his last breath.

Yeah i agree, But something i can't wrap my head around is why do we let them have such privilege, Like why, I just physically cant understand it.

 

[Jamie Lee spice]

Yeah i agree, But something i can't wrap my head around is why do we let them have such privilege, Like why, I just physically cant understand it.

He and his like should have none whatsoever.

He took away someone's/people's human rights to live a good life.

In my opinion his human rights should be gone. That's justice

 

[RagnarMan]

He and his like should have none whatsoever.

He took away someone's/people's human rights to live a good life.

In my opinion his human rights should be gone. That's justice

Play with someone's life, then i think you void that Right for yourself.

 

[sandra51]

I've no idea whether there is or not. These things only work until they don't.

The point I was making is there's no such as 100% in the context of proof, that's why juries are asked to decide on "beyond reasonable doubt".

The discussion, for me anyway, shouldn't be about evidence. It should be about the moral issue of whether taking a life, by an individual or by the state, is justified.

I think in the case of those two cowardly evil bastards who murdered Lee Rigby in 2013 and proudly stood there waiting for the police to come and arrest them and the creature that murdered those 3 little girls in Southport are undeniably 100% guilty, even the softest and most liberal jury would have no choice but to find them guilty, in the unlikely event that they pleaded not guilty in court.

Personally I would rather that creatures like those were accidentally disposed of on their way to the police station after being caught red handed and arrested, as that would save the expense of a trial and the subsequent many years in prison after the were sentenced. Unfortunately the police officer who did what the public would want him or her to do, would be under investigation for many months and instead of being rewarded and promoted, they would probably get a reprimand or get dismissed or even be treated as badly as Officer Derek Chauvin was in America when he was arresting that drug addicted vile repeat offending criminal George Floyd. Hopefully Trump will find a way to pardon him for his state conviction as well as his federal one and he will be back home soon with a massive payout for the injustice that he has suffered by being tried in a court with a biased judge, a biased jury and in a biased state.

 

[Scufferoo]

Keeping them in jail for 60 or 70 years is no deterrent , they are soon forgot about , a public execution would stick in the mind longer and serve more as a deterrent.

 

[wilkijay]

Keeping them in jail for 60 or 70 years is no deterrent , they are soon forgot about , a public execution would stick in the mind longer and serve more as a deterrent.

I find it hard to imagine that someone who thinks nothing of hacking innocent children to death in public, would give a shit about their own life.

Wouldnt it be better to find and stamp out the root cause of the problem instead of waiting until after the crime is committed? There has to be far more to it than a few Facebook posts and TikTok videos.

 

[sandra51]

Keeping them in jail for 60 or 70 years is no deterrent , they are soon forgot about , a public execution would stick in the mind longer and serve more as a deterrent.

That would be better TV than anything that the BBC and C4 can come up and would be the highlight of the week if they actually showed it without blurring it all out at the moment we would like to see.